Rif: 1640 Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) MatthewCallis on 7th August 2007, 22:31 wrote:
Both of the fronts of the carts have the -1 after the serials, and not on the chip; but neither does Super Mario World - Super Mario Bros. 4 (Japan) (Rev 0A). One cart is the version that came out much later and the other is the cart that came with the system also later. Are they worth investigating? The only one in the wiki has no -1 on the front serial.

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Cart 1:
Front: SNS-MW-USA-1
PCB: (C)1993 Nintendo SHVC-1A1M-01
Chip: SNS-MW-0
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U2 16K SRAM
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Front: SNS-MW-USA-1
PCB: (C)1990 Nintendo SHVC-1A1B-06
Chip: SNS-MW-0
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Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) JohnDie on 8th August 2007, 05:51 wrote:
Hi!
Thanks for your observations. In my opinion the -1 on the front serial denotes a (even minimal) change in the cart production. If you compare the labels of the SNS-MW-0-1 and SNS-MW-0 cart (in the wiki) you'll notice that the wordind 'Super Mario World' on the edge of the cartridge is placed at different locations (left on the -1 one and centered on the inital revision).
Bootgod's NES database shows some similar changes in cart labels which lead to a changed serial on the label.
I guess the only (mostly) reliable method to identify ROM revisions is to check for the impressed number on the back of the cart (I guess it specifies the ROM version and the factory the cart was produced at, at least if it's similar to Nintendo's NES markings, again refering to bootgod's findings).
However there seem to be some cartridges where the marking on the back shell of the cartridge does not match the ROM version, probably those cartridges with initial non-1.0 releases (as shown by Y~K in his thread about this matter).
So to sum it up again: If there are rumors based on the -1 on the front-serial of a cartridge, you always have to check the back label to be sure it's a real ROM revision and not just a label redesign.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) Yakushi~Kabuto on 8th August 2007, 10:57 wrote:
The '-1' in the label means a label update. In the original label, SUPER MARIO WORLD is written without a line break and Mario is much bigger.
See wiki/Super Mario World (USA). I'll add the '-1' label to the wiki.
Anyway a label update is in no manner related to a cart revision, the latter is being marked with a 'A' pressed on the cartridge back.
To answer your question: Are they worth investigating?
They are v1.0 as the known dump, you can tell from the '-0' written in the ROM chip, so redump might not be necessary. However you might check out the cartridge back for a 'A' stamp. If you find the 'A' stamp, please report so we rename the US version 'Rev 0A'
I'd also be interested with high quality scans of the PCB (those shots are blurry) in order to add them to the wiki.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) MatthewCallis on 17th August 2007, 00:49 wrote:
I finally found a workable scanner and got the PCB scanned for the wiki if you still want them.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) Chucky Egg on 17th August 2007, 08:40 wrote:
While it may be obvious that these two carts are revision 0, wouldn't it be worth dumping them both to see if they produce identical dumps?
The reason I ask is that the hardware (PCB) layout and surrounding components are different, but more importantly, the Maskrom chips are of a different batch (9305 T14 versus 9320 T56). Maybe this would create an [Alt] version dump?

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) BigFred on 17th August 2007, 09:29 wrote:
Nope. As long as the serials are identical they should be the same.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) Chucky Egg on 17th August 2007, 12:08 wrote:
I notice you stated 'should', this to myself isn't confirmation enough.
The only reason I'm pursuing the possibility of the carts producing different dumps is merely based on the different MASKROM chips used. Have you ever wondered why 'empty' space in cartridge ROM dumps is sometimes shown as 00h (00000000) in one and FFh (11111111) in another? I'm thinking that it is to do with the way the ROM works in that with one type uses an open circuit (00h) and another type uses closed circuit (FFh) or possibly visa versa. Therefore the different MASKROMs could produce different dumps (CRC based) because of one dump recognising 'space' as 00h and the other as FFh even though the 'game' data may be identical.
Anyway, just something for you to ponder over.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) Yakushi~Kabuto on 17th August 2007, 12:34 wrote:
No it is not obvious as long as I don't see the back of the cartridge. People really have a hard time understanding what a Rev.A is altho I posted a screenshot. The ROM could be Rev.0A meaning it exists in both Rev.0 & Rev.A cartridges. The only thing that is obvious is the ROMs are v1.0 and there is no point in dumping them if Mattew doesn't have a copier.
@Matthew can you check the back label of the carts and report what you see? And btw, where do these rumors of a v1.1 come from? To me, it's just bullshit right now.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) MatthewCallis on 17th August 2007, 14:38 wrote:
The backs don't have A, one is 27 the other is 12. I just read the rumored part in the SNES Undumped list on the forums.
I just recently bought the FMW ver. 0.1, prototype & Bahamut Lagoon (Sample) from Robert Webb. Bahamut Lagoon doesn't seem any different at first glance so I don't know if it really is or not, however the PCB is different from the one in the wiki (but the save version -0 and revision (09)). The FMV is like he said, made of EEPROMs so there's a good chance it will be different. Is it harmful to scan EEPROMs with the holes in the chips and all?

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Yakushi~Kabuto on 17th August 2007, 16:11 wrote:
Not harmfull at all do not worry.
It was a mistake to add this rumored 1.1 to the undumped list, sorry. It doesn't exist and I will remove it from the undumped list as it must not be based and unfounded rumors and crackpots. Only facts.
Thank you for the scans, I will include them to the wiki asap.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) NGEfreak on 20th August 2007, 09:20 wrote:
The entry will not be removed from the undumped list.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) BigFred on 20th August 2007, 09:24 wrote:
You know more than us?

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) NGEfreak on 20th August 2007, 12:49 wrote:
It seems to be dumped but hoarded.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) Yakushi~Kabuto on 20th August 2007, 13:21 wrote:
It was another crackpot spreaded by cowering. Please, don't be fooled again by cowering bullshit. There is no v1.1 until proven otherwise.

Re: Rumored Super Mario World (U) (v1.1) BigFred on 21st August 2007, 08:58 wrote:
I asked Cowering some time ago and he didn't know anything. He also confused it with Mario Kart first where he knew of the existance of an 'A' cart. All pretty weird.

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