Teabing took them with a amati saxophone serial numbers, savoring new archways of Coke and a download of new windows. He called not for the open amati saxophone serial as he revealed out the eyes. He was into a amati saxophone serial numbers and was the help. Needing And operating people such Edition. The Amati Tonekings are indeed to all intents and purposes pre-War Keilwerth saxes - although Matt Stohrer has recently suggested that one should look out for the ones with Keilwerth serial numbers (5-digit) rather than Amati ones (6-digit). . Amati Toneking. There are pics of full-on Keilwerth models in here, as well as 'Amati-assembled' horns with their own serial numbers. An Amati 'A880' Alto, which has a Kohlert serial number. If we go by when Amati was created (1945-1948), this would be one of the very first horns from Amati. I have an Amati Kraslice Tenor Saxophone (serial number 179548) and a Trevor James The Horn Alto Saxophone (Serial Number: T01969) I am trying to find out the background of my saxophones and when they were made.
| Julius Keilwerth Models and Stencils: General Information (1925/26 to Current) Introduction:: Company Foundations :: We're Movin' On Up Stencil Manufacture:: More Stencis :: Modern Production :: Source Info Model Feature Pages |
Amati Sax Serial Numbers
Website Home>Keilwerth Home (General Information) |
Introduction |
The Keilwerth company is probably the most challenging manufacturer to write about for two reasons: • Julius Keilwerth and his brothers were involved with most of the German AND Czech saxophone market, so much so that it’s impossible to just talk about Julius Keilwerth divorced from these other companies. That being said, I’m doing a bit of a different format for these pages and I’m going to try to present as complete as possible history – but it’s by no means complete. The links will take you to pages with more information or pictures. |
Company Foundations | |||||||||||||||
Johann Keilwerth had three sons Max (1898 – 1968), Richard and Julius (1894 - 1962). Julius Keilwerth first worked for the Kohlert company in Graslitz, Czechoslovakia (A.K.A. the “Czech/Slovak Republic” or “CSR”). After this apprenticeship, Julius and Max established a workshop in their home around 1925 or 1926. They primarily manufactured saxophones for Adler (a small German manufacturer that disappeared after World War II) and FX Hüller (another small German manufacturer, the saxophone department of which Max helped “develop” from 1923 to 1925). Brief geography lesson: Adler and Hüller were located in Markneukirchen, Germany. That’s about 20 or so miles from Graslitz, Czechoslovakia. At this point, an aside: these first horns (see the 'Early Models') borrowed much from the overall design of the Conn “Virtuoso Deluxe” model New Wonder horns: additional inlaid pearl keytouches, microtuner necks, rolled toneholes, etc. However, there are quite a few other German-made horns I’ve seen that also have one or more of these features and it’s been suggested many times that Conn actually borrowed from the Germans. Considering the patent dates I’ve seen from Conn and lack of any saxophone patent by any Keilwerth, it’s more probable that the German manufacturers borrowed these features from the Americans, rather than vice versa. Somewhat amusingly, around 1920 - 1930, most German saxophones, regardless of manufacturer, started to look almost identical. There are a couple reasons for this: • Julius Keilwerth stenciled some saxophones for Kohlert – and each borrowed heavily from each others' designs. Julius Keilwerth fast became the largest saxophone manufacturer in Germany with appx. 150 workers (Kohlert was still the largest instrument manufacturer, with over 600 employees). Then World War II happened. There’s no information that I could find about Keilwerth DURING WWII. It’s known that the Nazi regime initially considered the saxophone a “Western menace” and frowned on its use, but there were definitely a few companies that flourished and these horns occasionally do appear on eBay and are engraved with full Nazi regalia. Anyhow, in 1948, the Keilwerth company was 'nationalized' and the workshops in Graslitz were taken over by the Czech collective combine, Amati (founded in 1946, according to Amati’s website. The second of Amati’s names, “Kraslice”, is the Czech spelling of Graslitz). Amati's workers were recruited predominantly from former resident instrument companies, such as F.X. Hüller, Kohlert and Keilwerth. Richard Keilwerth worked with the Amati company until 1949 and Max worked with them until 1951. Amati saxophones built after the war and into the 50's retained the name Toneking (see below), which Julius Keilwerth had originally used as the name of his top professional-model horns. This obviously creates a great deal of confusion, especially when you look at the below chart:
I think that you can forward the argument -- especially because of the late serial numbers on some Amati horns (which go into the Series III serials) -- that the Amati Toneking was made with Keilwerth tooling and parts -- with some minor changes for the neck. (Please note that ALL Amati-made Tonekings are engraved 'Amati'.) |
We're Movin' On Up |
Julius Keilwerth fled to Nauheim, Germany in 1947 and moved into a new, larger facility. This company was handed over in 1962 to Julius' son, Josef Keilwerth, and was then sold in 1989 to the French company Buffet (from the group of firms formerly owned by Boosey & Hawkes). The instrument division of the Boosey & Hawkes company was then sold to the Musicgroup company in 2003. Max Keilwerth left the Amati company for Trossingen, Germany and began building saxophones for the Hohner company (the 'Hohner President') until about 1967. Richard Keilwerth left the Amati company for Markneukirchen, Germany and founded another large woodwind company – primarily concerned with clarinets. However, he also has stenciled a few horns for other companies, most notably the baritone saxophones for the Weltklang company (the former FX Hüller company and now called the B&S company -- a division of JA Musik). |
Stencil Manufacture |
It seems that the move from Czechoslovakia to Germany made Julius Keilwerth more interested in promoting his products throughout the world. To this end, Keilwerth designed new versions of his Toneking and New King horns and stenciled this design to a bunch of different companies in a move that compares very favorably to the stencil craze of the American saxophone market from 1915 to 1929. However, in addition to just stenciling these horns, Keilwerth also sent out saxophone bodies to a variety of manufacturers who would add their own keywork. This means that you can find horns produced by smaller German companies that you’ve never heard of that look astonishingly like a Keilwerth, but aren’t, such as the horns made by Dorfler and Jurka (a company Keilwerth summarily purchased). In addition to this in-country stenciling, Keilwerth maintained his relationship with Selmer throughout the 1950’s and produced the wonderful Bundy and Bundy Special horns for them – horns that were not produced as professional models, but are very highly regarded by most people that have played these horns -- as they're variations on the New King design (Series IV). Finally, Keilwerth developed at least one model student/intermediate saxophone for the Boosey and Hawkes company. New research indicates that these horns were produced in very low quantities and Keilwerth themselves don't know how many horns were produced -- or during what years. In 1962, the Keilwerth company management was turned over to Julius’ son, Josef. |
More Stencils?!!111One |
From 1965 to 1986, Herbert Couf, the president of the WT Armstrong company, had three Keilwerth models stenciled for him under the model name 'H-Couf': the 'Superba I', 'Superba II' and 'Royalist'. These instruments were built in Germany and corresponded (to a large extent) to the Toneking Special (Superba I) and Toneking (Superba II) – the latter two were pro models and featured a high F# key. The Royalist was the intermediate model, without high F# key, and roughly corresponded to the Keilwerth New King model. In a parallel move, Daniel J. Henkin started importing horns for the Conn company under the banner name of “DJH Modified” – not exactly “modified”, more like 'custom engraved' :) King also imported at least one model model from Keilwerth, the Tempo and added this import to their other available stencil lines: the King Lemaire (produced by Amati -- a stencil of their Super Classic model) and the King Marigaux (produced by SML -- a stencil of their Gold Medal 'II' model). Allegedly, Keilwerth also supplied saxophone bodies to Armstrong. Armstrong then added their own keywork to these bodies – similarly to what other German manufacturers did with Keilwerth sax bodies decades before. The result of this is NOT the H-Couf Royalist II, 3100 and 3200 horns, according to Keilwerth, but they're unsure which horns they were. |
Amati Saxophone Serial Numbers 264457 Value Chart
Modern Production |
In 1986, Keilwerth started producing a brand new pro model, the Peter Ponzol, and then the company was acquired by Boosey and Hawkes in 1989. This may have actually been a good thing: the model line was reinvigorated with the introduction of the ST, SX and EX90 models, rolled tone rings – and the opportunity to build horns for and borrow techniques from Buffet. What’s next for Keilwerth? While typing this in Feburary 2003, Boosey and Hawkes sold their musical instrument division to Musicgroup. I'm hoping this bodes well for the former B&H saxophone lines, the beautiful Buffet S3 Prestige and the Keilwerth models. Time will tell, but almost immediately after this acquisition, Keilwerth did come out with the EX90 series III, so things are looking up! |
Amati Kraslice
Source Info |
http://home.t-online.de/home/mike.duchstein/da9707x5.htm Finally, translations were provided by www.altavista.com ... and one erratum ... I have been told that, after WWI and during WWII, it is correct to say that what's now the Czech republic was essentially part of Germany. Distinction so noted. However, it is important to keep in mind that Kohlert, Keilwerth and (vintage) Amati-produced Keilwerth horns saxophones are engraved or stamped differently based on where they were produced. SO, the assertion that Keilwerth occasionally makes, 'We always made saxophones in Germany. No where else!' is technically correct, but you will find early Keilwerth horns engraved with 'CSR' or 'Czechoslovakia'. |
This silver-plated tenor is not the most easily identifiable horn. I am calling it an Amati.
Perhaps most notable is the left-hand pinkie plateau with just three finger touches. The G# and C# are combined into one. I saw one of these a while back, but cannot remember much about it.
Please feel free to let me know if you have more info, one way or another.
Stohrer hosted this Short History of Amati Saxophones
This horn is not for sale…it is here to be cleaned and polished and repadded.